Giuliani Blog Tracking the likely Presidential candidacy of Rudy Giuliani

Thursday, August 10, 2006

Deconstructing Bevan's Giuliani Critique

Kudos to Tom Bevan for rising above the trite "guns, God, and gays" analysis, and attacking some of the real issues on which '08 will be decided. It will come as no surprise that I don't agree with the majority of what Bevan writes in this piece questioning Giuliani's credentials on immigration, the First Amendment, and judges, but at least he's asking the right questions.

This blog (as well as RCP's Ryan Sager) has approached the '08 campaign as McCain vs. Giuliani, and Bevan's piece is a critical look at Rudy's positions on the same issues on which McCain has badly alienated the base. Is Giuliani really better on the issues?

Let's start with immigration:

While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's.
That's not quite the takeaway I got from the O'Reilly appearance. Though far from ideal, it sounded to me like Giuliani was starting to pivot to an enforcement-first position on that show. As Giuliani explained it, the Federal government was failing to enforce its own immigration laws, and without the authority to deport illegals, New York City was in a bit of a bind. Because the Clinton Administration did very little by way of deportations, it was up to the city government to ensure their children had access to the schools and basic health care. (Denying public services, FWIW, is the least popular point in the enforcement-only agenda.) Presumably, Giuliani as Commander-in-Chief would be able take a more active role in stemming the flow of illegals, applying the same crime-fighting techniques he used in New York to securing the border.

Bevan takes on the First Amendment next, and it's here that his argument falls a bit flat, trying to link the Brooklyn Museum and the liberal attack on Rudy as an authoritarian in with campaign finance reform. These are very separate issues, and arguably they help Rudy with conservatives.

There are few issues that get social conservatives more riled up than indecency in the public square. In standing up to the filth at the Brooklyn Museum -- and tapping into his overall image as the guy who cleaned up New York (and Times Square smut), Rudy can be cast as a defender of traditional values.

Conservative anger at John McCain is focused on campaign finance reform. Conservatives were angry that CFR would 1) de-fund conservative groups -- and now the 527s ready to pounce on McCain in the primaries, and 2) empower the MSM, reducing the importance of "paid media" relative to the constant drone of liberal "free media." It's no tribute to McCain's dogged efforts to centrally plan our future to point out that McCain-Feingold has utterly failed in its objective of reducing the importance of money and influence-peddling in politics. Unless Rudy comes out for some new form of CFR, expect this to continue being a big McCain liability.

Finally, on judges, Bevan asks how we know that Rudy can be trusted to nominate better judges than McCain:
Conservatives often cite McCain's leadership role in the Gang of 14 as one of the reasons they find him objectionable. Indeed, nominating solidly conservative judges is among one of the most dearly held values of conservative Republicans. We can only speculate as to how Giuliani would have voted were he in the Senate, or whom he would nominate as president. But he's given no indication that he would be any better than McCain on the issue of judges, and you could argue quite convincingly that Giuliani's background and ideological make up would lead him to be much less stringent (and therefore in the eyes of conservatives, much worse) in appointing strict conservative judges to the bench.
To my mind, the Gang of 14 is the tip of the iceberg. The judges issue is important to conservatives not just because of the Judiciary's vast influence over social issues, but every issue, from private property to the Pledge to campaign finance to military tribunals. (The courts are the ultimate gateway issue in the conservative world.) Would McCain be apt to nominate judges who would undo his signature pieces of legislation, namely McCain-Feingold and the vaunted "torture" amendment?

I agree with Tom that this is the biggest unanswered question about a Rudy candidacy. I can only suggest that Giuliani's vast experience in the judicial system, along with his penchant for executive authority, would make him naturally tend towards judicial restraint -- without (and before) having to "modify" any of his positions.

Ultimately, though, the key to Rudy's appeal is this:
The first is that he is strikingly charismatic and flat out likeable. Where McCain often rubs conservatives the wrong way with a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou attitude, Giuliani comes across as a very attractive, approachable, down-to-earth personality. In the contest of who you'd rather have a beer with, Giuliani would win in a landslide over McCain - and the rest of the GOP field.
Voters value attributes more highly than issues at the ballot box, and this may be Rudy's saving grace. But this brings home why Giuliani could be expected to prevail against McCain even without changing many of his positions. If both men are roughly as objectionable to primary voters on the issues, personality could well be the tie-breaker.

Rudy doesn't have to run as a conservative to beat John McCain -- he could probably do that with one hand tied behind his back. He needs to run as a conservative to beat George Allen, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee, who will ultimately be a bigger threat to Rudy to coming down the stretch.

Find this post interesting? Get posts
from this blog in your inbox once a day:

5 Comments:

At 7:16 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

We also like his energy policies and have written a summary of his ideas at the Rudy Giuliani's Energy Strategy page on our blog.

Will
http://cutoilimports.blogspot.com/

 
At 10:39 PM, Blogger RudyBlogger said...

PHS,

Yours is probably the most insightful comment ever made on this blog, and one of the most insightful I've seen on any blog.

I've also thought about the parallels between Powell and Giuliani. I'll outline the reasons why the case against Giuliani is less persuasive than it was against Powell, but I agree that if the Mayor doesn't prepare for the (inevitable) onslaught, he won't be the nominee.

First, what makes Giuliani different? Well, for one thing, Colin Powell was a complete newcomer to politics and an unknown quantity. His proto-candidacy also came at a time when there was intense pressure on the party to moderate its positions on social issues to reach the soccer moms, and there is little doubt that Powell would have run as a "big tent" Republican. Though wildly popular across all segments of the population, he wasn't particularly popular with conservatives to begin with. In that sense, his position might be more analogous to that of John McCain.

A Rudy candidacy comes amid the new understanding that it isn't political death to be pro-life. In fact, pro-life candidates have won five of the last seven presidential elections.

Though he can't go pro-life, he will certainly adopt a tone that is respectful of social conservatives, and show no daylight between himself and President Bush on judges (the gateway issue) and marriage.

Fear of McCain would also make such a move self-defeating, unless McCain had already been dispatched. Many conservatives are depending on Rudy to help keep the McCain threat at bay. Why would conservative leaders blow it up with a move like this?

Finally, the influence of these D.C. conservative grasstips leaders has waned as of late. In 1995, it was possible to put together a press conference to speak for "the conservative movement." In 2006, the equivalent is the blogosphere, and unless they agree en masse to swarm against Rudy, the appeals of the grasstips will likely fall on deaf ears.

This isn't to say that the threat of what you describe is serious and needs to be addressed. If Rudy doesn't come to terms with running as a conservative, the new media will swarm against him, and it will be more lethal than a few graybeards in a hotel ballroom.

If you're still around, let's continue this via email. rudy blogger at g mail dot com.

 
At 6:44 PM, Blogger Jerome said...

I'm originally from Arizona, but living in Israel at the moment (since 2004). Part of me is inclined to support McCain because of my Arizona roots, but I don't see much inspirational in John McCain. Does he have integrity? Yes. Does he have leadership qualities? You bet.

As a Republican, I wouldn't make a choice for one or the other based on their conservative credentials. After all, what does conservative really mean today? It used to mean small government - I'm talking about Barry Goldwater-style, "A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away," sort of conservatism.

Now, it means campaign finance reform is opposed? I'm pro-life, but if you ask me whether abortion should be banned by law, the Conservative Federalist in me says let the states decide. As for Rudy "gettin' religion" - let him keep his integrity. There's more to American politics than "evangelese".

In any case, it should be about what's best - who's best - for the United States of America.

Look, Rudy Giuliani has the qualifications for a national leader, a president, that no other candidate, Republican, Democrat, independent or in-between has. Rancor can only be that which comes from further McCain-Giuliani comparisons.

Way too much - way too freaking much - focus is on whether Rudy's conservative enough, or not, or whatever. You can be a left-wing conservative, or right-wing liberal - what matters is flexibility, mixed with steadiness thrown into the mix.

Rudy Giuliani is about the only truly inspirational leader out there, who has gotten results in New York, who saw not only the city but the country through 9/11 and who certainly would've handled Hurricane Katrina better than it was handled.

Bear Down Arizona - but Bear Down Rudy, too. Show 'em who's who.

Maybe pushing Rudy to be goin' independent like Lieberman would make a difference. It seems to be doing so for Joe, according to the polls.

America could do for some change like this...and it would allow Rudy to be himself, instead of constantly being compared to John McCain or others in the race for a party nomination. What matters is getting Rudy Giuliani into the Big Race in 2008, because America not only deserves but needs him in it.

 
At 11:13 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

nike free run
coach outlet
air jordans
louis vuitton
ray ban
michael kors outlet clearance
nike trainers
michael kors outlet
coach factorty outlet
michael kors outlet online
louis vuitton outlet
louis vuitton handbags
toms shoes
jordans for sale
fake watches
hollister kids
ray ban outlet
louis vuitton
ray ban sunglasses
coach factory outlet
ralph lauren
adidas uk
christian louboutin
michael kors outlet
hollister clothing
coach factorty outlet
michael kors outlet
coach outlet online
michael kors handbags
christian louboutin shoes
hollister uk
cheap oakley sunglasses
nike huarache
nike air force
replica watches
kate spade
louis vuitton outlet
pandora jewelry
nike air max 90
fitflop sandals
20164.12wengdongdong

 
At 3:34 AM, Blogger Darren Demers said...

Glad to see you tackling Bevan's piece head on. I have to admit, it raised more questions in my mind but you do a good job dealing with his arguments.

buy bulk t shirts canada
cheap bulk t shirts canada

 

Post a Comment

<< Home